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13. When Do You Know Enough To Start Looking For Work?

January 5, 2015

Keith and Dain talk about their experiences and discuss two activities that will help you find out when you’re ready to start looking for work. They also recommend developing curiosity as a way to achieve breakthrough.

Also, 20 squats before a big meal and short walks.


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  • Steve January 6, 2015 at 7:56 am

    Is there a link to the cup of coffee and 7-10 minute walk?

  • Bob D'Errico January 6, 2015 at 2:57 pm

    Thanks for producing another great episode. It provided so much good advice. I especially connected with Keith’s advice on having your spouse and family on board. I work full-time in a non tech field, am married, and have two little girls. I actually shared that portion of the podcast with my wife when I got home today.

    I’m definitely going to check out FreeCodeCamp, for the opportunities to pair program and to build something for someone else (and as I understand it, help out a non-profit).

    Thanks again. I look forward to these podcasts and get excited whenever I see a new one pop into my podcast player.

    • Keith Monaghan January 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm

      Thanks Bob, I’m glad you found it helpful. I haven’t used Free Code Camp yet so when you do please report back your experience. We’d love to hear about it.

  • Jason Rueckert January 6, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    I’m one of the Camp Counselors over at FreeCodeCamp.com and just want to thank you guys for the shoutout. I’ve been listening to your show for a while and it was a great treat to all of a sudden hear that the Camp was mentioned. And just as a heads up, we also do a weekly Live Pair Programming Show that features different people each week so that our campers can get that experience of watching people that know their stuff, work their magic. Keep up the great show and stop by FCC sometime in our Gitter.im room and say “hi.”

    • Dain Miller January 6, 2015 at 6:04 pm

      Thanks so much Jason! Glad you enjoy it and we are stoked you are a counselor over at FreeCodeCamp! We both think it is people like yourself, helping students and people that want to learn, that really change things in this industry. Thanks for doing what you do there. We will definitely stop in to say hi :)

  • Dene January 10, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    By the sounds of it Keith; it took you two years of learning web development, plus an additional six months on the job market before you actually got hired and received an income as a web developer, correct? Is this a realistic time frame for beginners looking to make money in web development and who put in the same work load as you quoted (2-3 hours a night, 5 days a week)?

    • Dain Miller January 11, 2015 at 7:57 am

      Good question Dene! I’ll let Keith answer his half, but as we have said from the first episode the reason we are doing the show together is because we are exact opposites in a lot of ways. For instance, it took me roughly 2 weeks technically to make my first $750 many years ago from my first client. Literally within 2 weeks of learning web dev. And I got my first job at an Agency within 3 months. So it is very much a different thing for everyone, and there is no better way – but I would say from my POV taking your time and doing it right is better than rushing in. Though both will lead to success if done correctly. :)

    • Keith Monaghan January 11, 2015 at 9:59 am

      Hi Dene, Thanks for the question.

      Yes, you got the time-frame correct. However, as we have mentioned, there are many paths to Web development. My situation might be different than others because I was looking for a position that would allow me to quickly move up and manage a team. I took longer to prepare and longer to find the right job so that I could be in a position that I wanted. I had the luxury of a full-time job so I could take my time. I needed to switch careers and make a certain minimum income to support my family. There were many jobs avaliable that I qualified for which offered an introductory wage. The quicker you can get into the industry, the better. If you can afford to take an introductory position, do it.

      Of everything we’ve talked about I hope that everyone understands their situation is going to be different than ours. You need to set goals that make sense for you. Anything within the 6-month to 2-year timeframe is great. It all comes back to what you want.

      Thanks Dene. Don’t hesitate to reach out again if you have more questions.

  • Aaron January 11, 2015 at 9:05 am

    Inspiring. Thanks!

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